What are you Carving this Year?

One Eye'd Jack · Post by **One Eye'd Jack** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:12 pm

Boy oh Boy! Did I miss something HERE!!!!
I haven't looked at this thread for awhile and I wish i had. I usually don't miss this kind of thing.... THAT'll teach ME to overlook threads!

mesmark · Post by **mesmark** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:02 pm

Sorry, I started all of this. I saw the stencil and didn't say anything here because I figured I get the same mob linchin' reignman40 got. He's also a great guy, btw.

Anyway, I assume based one the original screen shot that IBHW didn't rip the image from the original site http://www.zombiepumpkins.com but from another site that is now gone (for copyright infringements I assume.) Also, if you have to rip anything you can assume that it's not OK to take. The website is obviously not supplying it to visitors to use.

All images/unique creations are copyrighted to the original artist at the time of creation. If the artist chooses to release the image under the Creative Commons License, then yes you may use an image accordingly. Otherwise, you may not use the image without their permission.

It would be the same as taking a picture of Mickey Mouse and altering that to look like a Zombie. You wouldn't be able to post that image, share it with others and technically use it yourself without breaking copyright laws. Unless you had authorization from Disney. (Disney came down hard on a few stencil sites for that 2 years ago and pretty much shut them down and got rid of all of the knock offs. Only those who were paying royalties were left.)

The big issue here is having those two images available here on this site or any other. IBHW might not be profitting from it personally but Halloween.com is. The original artist said he doesn't mind members who have paid for the access to the materials to alter and create their own stencil from his work but only for personal use. I'm sure he wouldn't allow others to then distribute those, free or not, to others.

Again, sorry for the drama, but what's life without a little drama.

mesmark · Post by **mesmark** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:06 pm

I B Howlin' Wolfman wrote:You, of course ARE entitled to your opinion. But it does seem to me that you signed onto the forum just to complain about this one subject.

Whats done has been done. I doubt I can do anything to correct for this.

So, outside of you're complaint, reignman40. How do you suggest I go about correcting this situation?

reignman40 has left the building!

I'd say the only thing that could be done is just edit the original post and remove the two images. Again, what you did wasn't bad according to zombiepumpkins.com guidelines, but making the images available to everyone else causes the problems.

If you carved your pumpkin and then posted a picture of that, I'm sure the original site would be flattered.

(Sorry, I didn't see page 2.)

I B Howlin' Wolfman · Post by **I B Howlin' Wolfman** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:14 pm

Who'ed of thunk that creating a carving pattern for a pumpkin could be so complex? I removed and altered my original post. I left my final image. Let me know if it's ok.

I'd like to apologize to the forums for creating a pattern out of someone else's designs. I probably should of known better, but I didn't get any "red flags" that said, "Do you really want to do this?" or "Are you sure this is such a good idea?"

Not to belittle the experience, but "Live & Learn". (I've been doing a lot of learning lately.)

reignman40 · Post by **reignman40** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:32 pm

I'd just like to clarify that I had absolutely no problem with Wolfman altering it to fit his liking. I quite like the alterations he made. It looks much more fierce now. My ONLY issue was jacking the image to begin with. That and nobody saying anything about it.

What's done is done. So be it. I would love to see a pic of your altered monster when it's carved.