Halloween Discussion Forums, Costumes, Horror!

Head's shot from this afternoon, between thunderstorms.

The light was fantastic.

I'm glad to hear that you had fun, Murf. I hope that everybody here has been doing well.

I've been trying to sign into the forum since Mon. but it was just the same error message over and over again. I have better things to do than waste my time clicking the refresh button a hundred times trying to sign into this stone age technology based forum. Don't get me wrong, I love this forum, but if this <deleted> continues then I'm just going to leave because it's frustrating when you sit there typing for 20 minutes only to have the forum log you out before you can post.

I was going to tell you guys about my vacation, but I'm too ticked right now, maybe I'll come back later.

I had some issues earlier this week, too. I thought it was just my phone. My husband had to clear a lot of memory to make it function properly again.

I hope you do share some of your vacation fun with us. We had a fabulous, very busy time in Charleston. I just mentioned the stuff I thought folks here would like.

Andy, that photo above is amazing!

Thanks Murf!

Chris said that he turned down the bot-killer so it isn't so sensitive.

It's working normally... for now.

Well, this post turned out way longer than it should have, but it includes the vacation, as well as the other things we did this week.

We spent the week going to Universal and Disney, as well as local haunts and activities in the area. I will say that I enjoyed Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios waaaaay more than the attractions that Disney offered, as the atmosphere was scarier like a real haunted house and the actors there were really into their role and you could tell that they were having fun doing it.

As for Mickey's Not-So-Scary Halloween Party at Disney World, it was more of a family friendly experience with the same characters doing the same thing as usual, but the place was decorated beautifully, especially at night, I honestly couldn't even put into words how awesome it looked, it's something that you have to experience yourself.

The main thing about Disney was the CANDY! When you enter the park they give the kids large trick-or-treat bags and tell you that they are handing out candy throughout the park, and they weren't joking, everywhere you turned they were handing out candy, it was just candy candy candy, and more candy, and when you thought there couldn't possibly be any more candy, you turn around and there's more CANDY! They had large cauldrons and towers overflowing with candy, and even the Disney princesses were handing out candy, I haven't ever seen so much candy in my life, not at any store I've been to, or in any documentaries that I've watched. I don't know how much it would cost to buy that much candy but I would guess it would be a few hundred bucks, and while my wife wasn't thrilled with the unbelievable amount of candy that they handed out, she said that with what Disney charges to get into their parks they better be giving you something for it.

I'm not joking when I say this, but the girls got more candy in one night at Disney than they did in the last 4 years of trick-or-treating combined. On the way home we had to get a small suitcase to carry the candy because the girls didn't want to leave it behind. At the airport the guy that scanned the suitcase asked us to open it and when he saw the candy he looked up at my wife and me, and we told him about the event at Disney, and we told him to go ahead and eat some if he didn't believe us, then Phoebe yelled out... No! he can't eat my candy, let him eat Sam's candy! There was laughter from the other people waiting in line, but he looked angry, he called over a security dog to sniff the suitcase, then he stood there for a moment with the most serious look on his face, then he smiled at us and waved us through. Honestly, I know it sounds funny, but it was one of the most tense situations we have ever had going through airport security.

We honestly don't know how we are going to make sure they don't eat the whole pile by themselves, and they are still going trick-or-treating next week too, so my wife said that she is probably going to give some of it to trick-or-treaters, or their friends that will be at the party that weekend.

While I was there I also had a interesting conversation with Millie, she said that old people don't want to give up their independence, and they don't want to be treated like a child, so they show a tough side to the world, but sometimes, they like to be comforted like a child. When I'm with Millie she always leans against my shoulder, or I put my arm around her and she cuddles with me while we talk, she said that nobody else in the family does that for her, they just think of her as the stubborn old woman that probably doesn't want to be bothered, or they think she is fragile, so while they talk with her and tell her everyday that they love her, they don't really show her much physical affection. She told me that she loves when we cuddle because it reminds her of when she was a child with her parents. I'm happy that I can give her that comfort, and I can only hope that I have somebody to do that for me when I'm older.

After that conversation with her, I observed how everybody else interacted with her for the rest of the time that we were there, and aside from my wife and kids, not a single member of the family hugged her once while we were there, even when my older sister showed up with her kids, she only gave her a quick peck on the cheek and her kids just said hi to her. I don't know, maybe it's for the reasons Millie said, or maybe it's because they are always around her, but it seems like they treat her like a piece of furniture in the background. I honestly felt bad for her, and I would ask her to come and live with us, but I know she moved to Florida 30 years ago to get away from the winters here, and that's her home now.

She looked sad when she was by herself, but she lit up when my kids were there, and when they brought Karoleen over, you can tell how much they make her happy. I'm just glad that my kids are old enough to remember these moments with her, and I hope that she is still around when Karoleen is older so that she can get to know her the way that the rest of us have had the honor to. Oh yeah, speaking of Karoleen, she's getting big, it was nice to hold her again so soon, I really hope that kid knows how much she is loved.

It was also very nice to sit there with Millie and the family watching the Great Pumpkin and other Halloween classics together just like we used to do with her when we were kids. We also watched Batman Forever again, it was actually the last movie that Millie went to the theater to watch with us before she moved to Florida, so it seemed appropriate. This might be the last time that I ever get to enjoy them with Millie, and it made me appreciate the moment even more. It was also the first time that my kids ever watched that Batman movie, they liked it, and they really liked the soundtrack as well, I remember how big the songs from U2 and Seal were 30 years ago, and I've had them on my playlist since I got back. If you don't know the songs that I'm talking about, or you do and you want to hear them again just click the links below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9eQ0DaHCec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Yh6rnOchs

The vacation was great, but the fun wasn't done yet, this week we went to play the murder mystery and escape room games as well. My wife and I usually play the murder mystery game designed for adults because they are written better with more clues to solve, and the kids and their grandparents play the junior level mystery, but we decided to try the family themed game where we compete against other families to try to solve the mystery before they do.

The game started, soon the lights turn out, the murder happens, then the lights come back on, and immediately Phoebe yells out... he did it! She is pointing to a tall slender man with a ratty moustache, he is playing the part of the slimy lawyer, a woman that was playing the game with us asked Phoebe why she thinks he did it? She said... I don't like the way he looks, he looks E-VIL! That's exactly the way she emphasised it, everybody laughed, and the game continued. But guess what? She was right, it turns out that in this game he did it, but somebody else solved the clues before we did. They still gave her a prize though because she got it right before anybody else did, it was a gift certificate to Applebee's, and it would be a great prize if I didn't already own a restaurant.

The escape room games were fun as well, the first scenario was that a comically bad super villain had trapped us in a room and we had to escape before he blew it up with us in it. The other game had us trying to escape from a mad scientist's lab before he returned to experiment on us... we escaped both rooms with time to spare. If you haven't ever tried any of these games then I recommend that you check if there are any in your area, I promise that you and your family will enjoy them.

We also went 2 towns over to visit a farm haunt for the first time this weekend, it was more fun than I was expecting, and we will definitely be going back again.

Whew!

You get more done in a day than most people do in a week.

There are very few older relatives left in my family, but of course, that means that my siblings and I are now the elder guard.

I was born old, and as a child I never hung around kids my age.

At family gatherings I gravitated toward
aunts and uncles because they had interesting things to say and knowledge to impart, and I've always been eager to learn.

Even now I get satisfaction from learning something new each day, even if it's a small thing like what's the right time ti flip a pancake or how to survive a zombie apocalypse.

The irony of this is that I have little patience with children, unless I meet one who seems halfway interested in learning about the world that they are going to inherit, then I will make the effort to help them along the way.

A few years back one of my grand-nieces was turning three, and the gift pile at her birthday party was the inevitable assortment of pink plastic princess cr@p.

Her parents are well-educated professionals and their children are "above average", as Garrison Keillor used to say.

Her dad is a civil engineer and her mother (my niece) is a project manager for a construction company, and even at three years old their daughter had the presence of mind of a much older child.

So hidden amongst the plastic-fantastic assortment of dreams due to dieappoint, were two books, each written for the beginning reader.

One a primer on string theory and the other an introduction to Einstein's theory of relativity.

Your stories about Mille reminded me of that birthday, and of how important it is to be there for people, not only in person but in mind as well.

That's a very poignant comment from your Aunt Millie, and I think it's quite true. Especially the part about not wanting to lose one's indeoendence. And, yes, the comfort of physical affection can't be over-rated.

That airport story is wild. You'd think they'd know about the Disney candy haul this time of year. Was it good candy? I mean, chocolate, not twizzlers or candy corn?
Sweettarts, not Smarties? Jelly Bellies, not Brachs? I'd for sure be giving out lots of it this Halloween. Candy costs a fortune.

Our family did an Escape Room several years ago around Christmas. We did not win. I discovered that I'm very stupid and don't understand any of the clues they give. However, my husband and daughter seemed born for it.

Andy - I think it's great that somebody cared enough to give your grandniece such a meaningful gift, and hopefully that little nudge will lead her to something that she will want to pursue.

I know exactly what you mean about learning from your elders, yes, I had friends my own age when I was younger, but most of the time I was always hanging around with adults, whether it was my teachers, coworkers, employers, the guys that ran the comic shops, or my older relatives like Millie and my grandfather. I learned so much from those people, and I'm grateful that I actually listened to what they had to say from their years of knowledge and experience. It's also probably a good thing that I actually do remember what they told me, as I know most people don't have the memory that I do, and sometimes they forget those lessons.

I try to teach my young employees the same life lessons, most of them act like they already know everything about life because they have a phone in their hands with life's answers at the push of a button. But occasionally, you meet somebody that you can tell truly appreciates the information you have given them.

Sitting here and writing this reminded me of one of my teachers in high school, she was in her 70s when I met her, and she was only my teacher for one year in grade 9, but I would still have lunch with her and remain friends with her until I graduated. We had many conversations about life, philosophy, religion, history, and anything else that interested us. I learned a treasure trove of information from her, and I'll always be thankful for the time I knew her. She retired the same year I graduated but we stayed in touch until she passed away in 2007, she was a teacher for over 50 years and I was the only student of hers that attended her funeral, I guess that tells you how much she meant to me.

I have said before how much I enjoy hearing people's stories about their lives, it doesn't matter who they are, or what their story is, I absorb every detail and carry it with me forever. That's one reason I'm glad that I found this forum, I appreciate the stories that Murf, Mike and you have shared here, and I will always remember them. Also, you're absolutely right that you learn something new everyday, I know that I do, and no matter how insignificant it might seem at the time, you don't know when that information will become useful. By the way, did you just mention the zombie apocalypse?


Murf - Regarding the candy, I can only assume that most families that visit Disney are either locals that live in the area, or for the families that are on vacation, the parents somehow convince their kids to leave the candy behind, which is just mean. I'm telling you, the guard at the airport looked like he wanted to taser us until he smiled, so I guess that they don't get many people going through there with large amounts of candy.

As for the types of candy, it was a wide variety including brand name chocolate and candy like Reese's and most of the others you mentioned, to generic fruit chews with Disney characters on the wrappers. I was honestly surprised that they didn't just give out only crappy candy. My wife said she's going to be giving some of it to the trick-or-treaters, and hopefully the girls won't notice, though they have already agreed to let us give some of the candy to their friends at the party.

When I was a kid I didn't like Smarties and I would always give them to my siblings. Now, my kids don't like them so I always get stuck eating them, it's funny because now I actually like them.

On a unrelated note, and because I'm wide awake and still feel like typing, for some reason, I've been reflecting on October and Halloween of the past lately, specifically the years with a 5 in them.

1985 - I was only 4 years old, but it was a night that I won't ever forget. The next day, Nov. 1st was a Friday, and something special happened that day that actually occurred again on the same exact day 23 years later in 2008, and I've often thought of it as some form of communication from beyond the grave. I would elaborate more, but you guys just wouldn't believe me.

1995 - So many things happened that October that still stand out to me, in fact, earlier this month I was standing outside at night and I saw how large the Moon was and it was what actually triggered these memories. I remember one night it was slow at work so they sent me home early, but by the time I got home around midnight everybody was already sleeping and I didn't want to make noise and wake them up, so I sat outside on the front porch the whole night. I remember how large the Moon was that night, it was unbelievably beautiful, and the air that night made it even more memorable.

Also that October, I went to the theater to watch Halloween 6 - The Curse of Michael Myers, I know a lot of people don't like the movie, but it was the first movie in the Halloween franchise that I got to watch in the theater and it holds a special place in my heart because of that.

That Halloween night was special as well, I brought my younger siblings trick-or-treating and I remember how late we stayed out that night. After trick-or-treating was done I brought them to McDonald's first, then we went to the park and we were there until almost 1am just having fun. My mother was working that night, and to this day she still doesn't know what we did that night.

2005 - The woman I was dating at the time had to work that night, so I stayed home and handed out candy, it was raining that night so not many trick-or-treaters showed up, and by 8pm there wasn't anybody outside, so I just ate candy and watched movies the rest of the night. It was still a memorable night for me though.

2015 - This was our second Halloween with Sam, and we dressed as The Addams Family, we dressed Sam as Pubert, and some people asked us why we dressed her as a boy, we told them that even though the character is a boy, he was actually played by twin girls in the movie, so it was fine. We actually won best costume at the community center that day.

As for this year, well, just like last year we were so busy that we didn't get to choose our costumes in advance like we usually do. Anyway, we thought about it for awhile and came up with a costume idea that I'm honestly surprised that we haven't thought of before, we will be doing family themed Hocus Pocus costumes, my wife and the girls will be going as the Sanderson sisters, and I'll be going as Billy Butcherson. We already got the costumes this weekend, and I'm definitely looking forward to dressing up to scare their friends at the party.

They said it's going to be raining here this weekend, but that should just make it more fun for us.

My best Halloweens have actually been the ones I've experienced as a mom. I always loved Halloween as a kid, but, as I've said before, the older generation back then had never Trick or Treated, so they didn't really get into it that much. It's been so much fun for me to decorate and anticipate and share the fun of it all with my own kids. Also, Halloween has very much become a season, with community celebrations sponsored by Parks & Rec, and even churches embracing Trunk or Treat and fall festivals. I love all if it.

Alas, last night all my Halloween lights died in the front yard. I'm guessing they tripped a fuse. But my fuses are hard to reach, so my husband will need to investigate that later today.

It's the opposite for me, the best Halloweens were when I was younger. I honestly thought that when I had kids that they would have Halloween experiences that surpassed our own, but things changed since I was young, at least it has around here, and while you're right that the holiday is more celebrated and in the consciousness of society now more than it's ever been, I have observed that people just are not as passionate about it as they used to be.

Last year was the best Halloween that my kids had, at least in regards to trick-or-treating, and I had to drive them out of our area for that, but still, it was the closest it's been in years to the Halloween that we had growing up.

By the way, tell your husband that your imaginary friend wished him a happy birthday for tomorrow.

Wow! I can't believe you remembered my husband's birthday!

I also remembered your anniversary but I couldn't sign in, and your husband probably would have thought it was weird getting a email from a stranger wishing him a happy anniversary.

Lol. OMG, yes, he might have wondered what was up with that!

October is such a busy month for academics. Back when I was working, it meant midterms. It's not exactly that in the high schools, but it very much is the thick of things. We weren't thinking about that when we chose our wedding date years ago. It was just the convenient weekend that year. He had wrapped up his various officer courses after commissioning at college graduation in May. He had a couple of weeks between that and his posting to Ft Hood. Oct 24 was the convenient Saturday. That's how we chose our wedding date. Then we had to decide where to do it, which wasn't as obvious as you'd think. I'd been living in Nashville for six years as a grad student, so I chose Nashville. But it wasn't really his home or mine. Even my mother had to come from out of state. I ended up planning everything solo, since he was off at those officer courses in Oklahoma, if memory serves. His parents paid for the rehearsal dinner but asked me to plan it, so I did. My aunts from Texas and California paid for a bridesmaids' breakfast but asked me to plan it, so I did. It was actually a pretty stressful time. I recall that I chose my wedding dress when I saw it displayed in the window of a bridal shop on my walk to school. I stopped in and bought it. The clerks were normal, or so I thought. But when my mother from Mississippi and my aunt from Arkansas showed up a couple of months later and wanted to see it, the clerks behaved very differently. They fussed and fluttered about me in a way they hadn't done when I actually bought the dtess. I realized then how strange I must have seemed to them, coming in alone to purchase a bridal gown. Somehow I wasn't a real bride in their eyes until I showed up with my older female relatives.

Did you and Mr. Murf get to go on your honeymoon before he was sent to Ft. Hood?

My wife, thankfully, is old fashioned like me, so I wasn't there when she chose her wedding dress because she wanted the big reveal to be when she walked the aisle, but she told me that she got her dress from a small bridal shop that had 2 really sweet old ladies running it, and they were very enthusiastic about helping her choose the right dress.

The experience you had could be interpreted in different ways, either you're absolutely right and they were judging you when you were by yourself choosing the dress, or they could have been putting on a presentation when your relatives were there, making it seem like it's a big deal to impress them. Maybe it's a bit of both.

You do bring up a interesting topic though, regarding which family should cover which costs for the wedding. I know that I've had this conversation with plenty of people, and most people seem to agree that it's traditional that the parents on one or both sides should cover the cost of the wedding. While I can understand that perspective on it, I don't agree with it, let me explain ... If you're young and your parents can afford it then go ahead and take advantage of it, I know there are people that will spend unreasonable amounts for a wedding, and I've heard some stories about people that feel entitled to a marvelous day as long as they don't have to pay for it themselves. But I guess that's the way it is.

I consider myself a self made man, nobody was going to give me anything so I built it for myself. When we were getting married, I knew nobody on my side of the family was going to contribute, and my wife's family offered to pitch in but we refused their offer, and we paid for our wedding ourselves. We also refused any presents at the wedding, even sending people home with the gifts they brought after they ignored our request in the invitations. Some people thought it was unusual, and they are probably right based on the way other families do things, but my wife and I felt that it was something that we had to do for ourselves.

You already know my family story, but my wife comes from a good family, they didn't have much when she was growing up but they got by because her father is a good man that provided for his family, and while he's not the easiest guy to get along with, he's a really good grandfather, and I definitely respect him. About a month after our wedding, he approached me and told me that he was proud of us for standing on our own to cover the wedding, I didn't think much of it at the time, but now I understand what he meant.

I know that I'm years away from it, but if any guy wanted to marry my girls and he couldn't pay for the wedding himself, then I'm not sure if I would consider him a real man. I know that might seem harsh, even cold to you, but that's the way I look at it. Of course, maybe I'll eventually change my opinion when the time comes, as there are multiple factors that go into that, such as what a wedding will cost in the years to come, the way the deck is stacked against young people today, and the most important factor ... does he treat my daughter right, and make her happy? If the answer is yes, then I will have to overlook his idiocy and possibly step in to cover wedding costs.

I don't know, maybe the old saying is true, that a father doesn't think that any guy is good enough for his daughter. I'm sure that if your father was around when you were getting married that he would have scrutinized every detail about your soon to be husband, any good father would. In my case, I have a legitimate reason to be concerned, the parents today are letting the current public school education system, and social media raise their kids, and when those kids get to their 20s and 30s they're going to be the stupidest generation yet, so believe me when I tell you that I'm not looking forward to when the girls start bringing home cute, but stupid boys to meet us. Uh, sorry, I went slightly from the course there.

Maybe if I had grown up with a father there to cover costs like everybody else did then I would look at weddings differently, but as it stands, I think that people that want to get married should pay for it themselves. I know it's not a popular opinion, but it's how I feel about it.